Your Sister’s a Bimbo

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By Jae-Ha Kim
jaehakim.com
December 4, 2015

Eighteeen years ago, I was doing some on-air work for the local FOX affiliate in Chicago. (How is that possible, you ask, since I’m only 29 now, right? RIGHT?)

My brother, unbeknownst to me, made a post on a local media forum to promote my appearances. Sounds good, right? What ensued was a lengthy string of comments. Many of them were lovely. Others were less so. Not Gamergate repugnant, but rude nonetheless.

My friends have asked me why I don’t just delete the negative comments on my site. It’s because the comments document a certain sector of our population that takes great joy in being anonymously nasty.

And, please. As a kindergartner, I had to learn to deal with adults saying scary, racist things to my face. These comments were more like irritating gnats.

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Comments (156)

  1. Norman Nitman says:

    I’ll be sure to fire up the VCR.

    • Mark Rhodes says:

      Jae Kim, you should bulk e-mail your notice about your sister being on TV.
      Mail it out to about 5 million people at once. It would be a very pleasant
      change from MOST of the junk e-mail people seem to be sending out nowadays.

    • Greg M. Singh says:

      Geez, what a couple of horseshit responses by Nitman and Rhodes. I’ve
      read her column (Jae Ha Kim’s), she’s very good, and why shouldn’t the guy
      announce that she’s got a spot on TV? I think it’s time to coin a new
      internet term: “a waste of flame.”

  2. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    At least she’s a *pop* music fan, as opposed to the embittered fanzine
    writer they brought back who likes little more than postpunk and
    psychedelia.

    • Norman Nitman says:

      The woman’s a bimbo. Who cares if she’s on TV or not?

      • Jae Kim says:

        Bimbo? Reallly? You’re feeling a bit bitter, aren’t you?

        And what exactly do you know about her to call her a bimbo?

        And as for who cares – obviously I care, along with the rest of her
        family and her friends.

        You really shouldn’t post moronic responses. To paraphrase, “Better to
        not post and be thought a jackass, than to post and remove all doubts.”

        • Norman Nitman says:

          Sorry. I know she’s your sister and all, but that other poster forced
          my hand. If you didn’t want your feelings hurt, maybe you should have
          found another forum.

          Unfortunately, your sister makes a jackass of herself in print on
          a constant basis.

          • Austin says:

            Norman …you’re a bimbo. If you think Jae-Ha Kim is a bimbo, you obviously need to look up the definition in a dictionary. Do you know what that is? I know it’s a long word…Here’s another word you should look up: misogynist. ‘Cause you sure show signs of being one. Here’s a word you won’t have to look up: idiot. ‘Cause that’s what you are. I have been a long-time reader of the Sun-Times and a long-time fan of her work in the paper, on TV and on the radio. Here are the facts. She is a reporter for one of the top 10 newspapers in the country whose work won her journalistic awards. Besides writing about “pop culture” and the arts for the Sun-Times, her work has appeared in national publications like Rolling Stone, Variety,Spin, USA Today and Entertainment Weekly. I’ve also heard her talking about music on Q101 and WLUP and WGCI. She has something like 6 or 7 books out and has been on the New York Times Bestsellers lists a couple times. She graduated from the University of Chicago and got her masters degree at Northwestern. So who cares if she’s on TV or not? I do. And so do the millions of other people who’ve read her work and seen her reports on television. Say “buh bye” Norman. ‘Cause you’re just a big, old, goobery dork who’s probably too stupid to even know how to program your own VCR.

            • Norman N says:

              Now there’s an impressive array of publications.

              Hey, can you tell me what this loop does? I’m too stupid to figure it out.

              for (i = i3 = i4 = 0; i > 2;
              d[i4++] = ((s[i3] & 0×03) <> 4);
              d[i4++] = ((s[i3 + 1] & 0x0F) <> 6);
              d[i4++] = s[i3 + 2] & 0x3F;
              }

              • Evandeg says:

                Face it. You’d dismiss whatever publication that she wrote for just out of spite.

              • Jae Kim says:

                Ah – so you think she’s not a very good writer. Well, everybody should
                have an opinion. But try to back it up somehow. Blunt statements that
                can be misconstrued need be clarified.

                I thought you were a date gone bad that wanted to lash back.

                >>Sorry. I know she’s your sister and all, but that other poster forced
                > my hand.< <

                You’re sorry for thinking my feelings might be hurt? You are nice after
                all The other poster forced your hand? Somebody said something good so you
                had to say something bad?

                >>You really shouldn’t post moronic responses. To paraphrase, “Better to not post and be thought a jackass, than to post and remove all doubts.” Unfortunately, your sister makes a jackass of herself in print on a constant basis.< <

                And I thought you were nice.

                Anyhow, it’s nice to know that she reaches out to a spectrum of people –
                however infrequently you may read. Her job is reporting her opinions on
                entertainment – and it seems to me that she’s doing a good job when she
                gets different responses from people.

                By the way, who exactly were you trying to impress with the snippet of C
                code in a previous post? Did this come out of working code? I hope you
                found this in a book (where shortcuts are sometimes taken to illustrate
                a point) or will say that you did this hastily as a come-uppance to
                another poster. Anybody that knows C will find the code pretty crude.

                (If you want to know why I think so, ask – preferably email.)

              • Arielle Santos says:

                What a jackass you are Norman. The average person wouldn’t know how to figure out a loop because that’s not your job. Assuming you are who you say you are, that’s your job to know.

              • Frank says:

                Normie should’ve just stopped at “I’m too stupid.”

          • Justified Elder of Mu Mu says says:

            True, with you “bit” is an understatement. Time to go back to defending reverse-racists, Norman.

          • Melanie Foster says:

            but that other poster forced my hand.

            ROFL! How old is this Norman fellow? He had to be an asshole because someone “forced” him? That’s what my 4 year old says when he gets in trouble! Someone made him do it! What a sad, pathetic little person Norman must be.

          • Gavin says:

            Sod off, mate.

        • SCOOPBEY says:

          I second Jae Kim’s opinion.

          • Austin says:

            Hear hear! It’s good to see you back here Mr. Bey. BTW, I know this thread is
            about Jae-Ha Kim, but as you know from the Sun-times message board, I’m also a
            fan of yours. Keep up the great work.

            Mr. Bey, if I’m not mistaken I’ve seen you on television as well. Will you be
            making any more appearances soon?
            Austin

        • Jae-Ha Kim says:

          For the record, my brother is the best.

      • 성호 says:

        Misogynistic mouth-breathing troll. I’d add racist, too, since he probably is. But he hasn’t proven that in this thread.

      • Claire says:

        노먼은 바보입니다!!

      • Margaret Dean says:

        Mr. Nitman, let me help you out. Here’s the definition of bimbo according to the Merriam Webster dictionary: “an attractive but stupid woman.” I suppose you could say that attractive is subjective. Judging by her picture, I would say Ms. Kim is very pretty. As for stupid, why? Because you didn’t like that she wrote about something? That doesn’t qualify her as stupid. That’s your opinion. Did she make a factual error? That’s called being human. But I wouldn’t know if she made any errors since all you do is call her a bimbo. Judging by her education and career and work, she is far from stupid.

        I realize this thread was started a long time ago. My guess is that she’s still attractive and smart. You on the other hand are probably just older.

        Your rudeness really is uncalled for and unseemly. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  3. ronald h. davis says:

    this kind of flaming is really uncalled for. after all, isn’t this
    chi.media? isn’t this newsgroup supposed to be about stuff on or about
    chicago media and personalities? so what’s the problem with mentioning
    that fox news has apparently introduced an entertainment segment on
    their newscasts?

    so what this appears to be is a gratuitous, and patently sophmoric
    attempt to insult the poster because her sister is on tv.

    btw, norm, didn’t you *used* to be on tv???

    • Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

      btw, norm, didn’t you *used* to be on tv???

      Lemme guess – Broadsides with Cliff Kelley and Sherman Skolnick?

    • Norman Nitman says:

      No, I wasn’t trying to insult the poster. I was trying to insult Jae-Ha Kim.

      • Steven Norano says:

        You’re an asshole, Norman. I hope you’ve grown up by now. You’re probably still trolling around after all these years.

      • Micaela Haley says:

        Yeah, right. When you insult someone’s family member, you’re insulting them. At least that’s how it works in civilized cultures.

    • CST666 says:

      Jae-Ha Kim is a skilled writer and reporter. She also is a colleague. In the
      years I’ve worked with her at the Sun-Times, she has never missed a deadline.
      Her copy always comes in clean and accurate. And she comes up with solid story
      ideas. When another reporter needs help, she’s always there to help without
      being asked.

      She’s also a good sport. We drafted her to model for the cover of our
      redesigned Weekend Plus section, which kicks off this Friday (Jan. 9). Luckily,
      we got her before she became a big TV star. (Those of you who lost the
      gist of this thread should read Rob Feder’s column today: he mentioned Jae-Ha’s
      Fox News gig.)

      >>Norman N writes: “Show me a journalist who hasn’t won an award.”< <

      I suppose he could also say, “Show me an economist who hasn’t won an award” or
      even, “Show me an actor who hasn’t won an award.” He would be incorrect in
      each instance. Though our reporters are very talented, only about 10% of them
      have won awards as professional journalists. I’m sure the percentage would go
      up if we counted grammar school spelling bees ribbons and trophies. Jae-Ha won
      a Peter Lisagor Award, beating out the Tribune, for her coverage of the Beatles
      Anthology albums.

      >>Norman writes: “I will be more than happy to give some examples of Kim’s crummy writing at *my* convenience.< <
      Norman has been taking pot shots at Jae-Ha since December and hasn’t found it
      convenient to find any examples. That speaks for itself.

      >>Norman writes: ‘Hey, can you tell me what this loop does? I’m too stupid to figure it out.< <

      To whomever nailed him on this one (Jae-Ha’s brother, I believe), kudos! It
      was most excellent.

      • Evandeg says:

        Norman talks a lot and yet he says nothing.

        Your attempt was weak. You insult our intelligence with your
        random claims. You obviously don’t know her her personally, and yet you claim
        to hate a person you don’t know. If you hate her writing so much, then stop
        reading it. I’m surprised you didn’t come to the conclusion yourself. This is
        where you whine, “I don’t read her anymore.” Which is where I say, “Then you
        don’t know what you’re talking about.”
        This thread was started by someone who wanted to let people know about his
        sister’s latest career move. You don’t want to see her on TV? Fine. Don’t watch
        when she’s on. What is your strange obsession with her anyway? Scratch that. I
        really don’t want to hear your answer.

        >>Norman said: “I have no idea what you’re talking about.”< <

        This is the first smart thing Norman has posted all week.

  4. Evandeg says:

    Jae Kim,
    Your sister did a really nice review of “La Femme Nikita” the other day in the
    Sun-Times. That series is better than both Luc Besson’s film of the same name
    as well as the American version that starred Bridget Fonda.

    Although I also like Lon Grahnke’s work, he has the tendency to give too much
    away. I also thought she did a great job on Fox reviewing Jim Jarmusch’s
    documentary about Neil Young (“The Year of the Horse”). She’s a natural for TV.

    Also, let’s quit giving this Norman guy a forum to vent his spleen. What he
    wants most is attention. He knows he’ll never get it on a large scale like the
    people he slams. So he enjoys being a “star” on an online board where he can
    anonymously dish it out but can’t take it. Rest assured that he will write
    “provoking” posts to incite the rest of us to respond in kind to him.

    I know that I’ve been the most guilty of letting him wank off online by
    rebutting his feeble arguments. But it’s grown old fast. Kinda like Norman.

    Let me tell you about meeting Norman for the first, and hopefully only, time in
    the real world. He was boasting about his Nixon web site and someone got into a
    discussion with him about presidential elections. The “facts” that he spewed
    were weak at best and libelous at worst.

    Needless to say, no one took him seriously.

    • Jae Kim says:

      Thanks! (As if I had anything to do with her talents and success

      You’re absolutely right. As a matter of fact, I had intended to post my
      last reply to him, but I sent it to him via email by mistake. I’ll
      repost it.

      > Let me tell you about meeting Norman for the first, and hopefully only, time in
      > the real world. He was boasting about his Nixon web site and someone got into a
      > discussion with him about presidential elections. The “facts” that he spewed
      > were weak at best and libelous at worst.
      >
      > Needless to say, no one took him seriously.

      That’s funny, and what I imagined him to be like

      Hi folks,
      Below is what I meant to post. By accident, Norm was sent it via email.

      Well Norman,

      I have yet to see you post anything of substance. All you seem to post
      are knee-jerk responses so that you can have the last word. And often
      non-sequiturs. As examples, I included your responses to my last post.

      I enjoy having discussions with people who have something worthwhile to
      say, even if they disagree with my positions. I tell my kids that you
      can learn something from anybody. But in your case, I don’t want to
      waste a whole lot of time in hopes of picking up a nit, so this is my
      last post on this thread.

      As a parting farewell, think about these things, Norman. Have you ever
      admitted that you were wrong? Have you ever wondered why you
      don’t/can’t have meaningful discussions/relationships? Or if you think
      you do, why nobody else seems to? Is your hero Cliff on “Cheers”?

      I’m sure that you will have something extremely clever as a retort.
      However, I don’t plan to read any more of your posts unless somebody
      directs me to one. And, since you’re the type that thinks any attention
      is better than none, I’ll bet that what’ll really get your goat is that
      I’m not going to read your post

  5. ronald h. davis says:

    Jae Kim wrote:
    >
    > Hi folks,
    >
    > Below is what I meant to post. By accident, Norm was sent it via email.

    well, at the very least, this should translate into ratings since some
    of the people reading this are bound to want to check out her tv gig,
    in addition to checking out her newspaper column, so you should be
    sending norman a “thank you” note.

  6. CST666 says:

    Aragon Ballroom, 1106 W. Lawrence. This place hasn’t been dubbed the
    >”Scaragon” for nothing. Bring your own toilet paper!
    >
    > Riviera, 4746 N. Racine. Arghhh. Wear platforms; the toilets overflow like
    >crazy.
    >
    > Metro, 3730 N. Clark. If you can’t urinate under pressure, don’t drink
    >anything here. Because of the limited number of stalls, there’s always a
    >line,
    >and the natives get restless if you’re not in and out in 30 seconds.

    Ah, I remember this story well. It was assigned by a former editor who thought
    that a cover story on bathrooms across the city would be good reading material.
    🙂 We sent Jae-Ha Kim and Ernie Tucker to feret out the best and worst
    women’s and men’s WCs (respectively). Anyone who’s been to the Aragon, Metro or
    Riv will recognize the descriptions as being right on. Jae and Ernie came back
    with some frightening stories. If any of you would care to post some more
    snippets of Sun-Times stories, I’d be happy to fill in the history. Thanks for
    the promo.

  7. SCOOPBEY says:

    Good lord. A man decides to tell people that his sister–who has a big following–is on TV, and he winds up getting flamed. The fact is Jae Ha Kim (and full disclosure here: I’m a collegue and fan of hers) IS a talent, with a voice. If you disagree, that’s cool. But to make personal criticisms of a person you don’t even know [Norman, shame on you]–calling her a bimbo, no less–based on your interpretation of how she writes is a waste of bandwidth. Senseless. Pinheaded. Stupid.

  8. DJevens says:

    I just consumed the whole of this thread in one sitting. For all his
    unsubstantiated slams, the only evidence of Jae’s incompetence that Norman has
    offered is some quite accessible prose she wrote about nightclub bathrooms, in
    compliance with an editor’s assignment. Anyone who finds this grounds to embark
    on a smear campaign must either never urinate or never go to nightclubs. Which
    is true for you, Norman?
    Darel Jevens
    Another admiring Sun-Times colleague

    P.S. Bet he can’t answer without a gratuitous insult.

  9. Norman Nitman says:

    April 7, 1996, SUNDAY, Late Sports Final Edition

    SECTION: SHO; Pg. 10; NC

    LENGTH: 162 words

    HEADLINE: Keanu Sightings

    BYLINE: Jae-Ha Kim

    BODY:
    Pop quiz: Keanu Reeves is in Chicago filming “Chain Reaction,” and you’re
    dying to see him. What do you do? The best approach may be retracing his steps.
    Here are a few of the places Reeves has been spotted.

    • Austin says:

      I remember this story! It was awesome. The radio stations picked up on it after
      her article came out and I must admit it was pretty cool to have Keanu in
      Chicago filming a movie (even though the movie sucked!).

      How can one person be so stupid as to believe that reporters always get to pick
      and choose what they want to write about and therefore are to blame for
      everything bad (or, conversely, to credit for everything good)? GET A GRIP. No
      job like that exists.
      Even on school newspapers, it’s a give and take between coming up with our own
      ideas and having to do what our editors/advisors want. The hysterical part is
      that the Nixon fetishist embarasses himself just a little more with each post.
      Austin

    • Anna Kim says:

      LOL! I don’t even get his point. Is he trying to prove he can cut and paste?

      • Melissa Pother says:

        Anna, he’s trying to prove his point that Jae’s a “bimbo” by writing this article. Norman doesn’t know how publications work. Reporters are given assignments. If it wasn’t her, it would’ve been somebody else.

  10. JMurray492 says:

    As someone who has known Jae Ha Kim since high school, I can attest that she is
    not a bimbo. She’s one of the most intelligent people I have ever met, and I
    regret not having the opportunity to see her on television, since I moved to
    Denver a number of years ago.
    Julie

  11. DJevens says:

    Take this little quiz. While paging through a newspaper, you run across a story
    that does not interest you. What is your next thought?
    a) “Yawn. Guess I’ll turn the page.”

    b) “Yessss! If I’m really lucky, this writer’s brother will go online and tell
    people she’s going on TV, so I can respond by researching everything she’s ever
    written and making fun of it and taking cheap shots at her brother and everyone
    else who enjoys her work!”

  12. Norman Nitman says:

    Y’know, my initial criticism of Kim was limited to a snide remark about
    setting my VCR in response to her brother’s original post. I certainly
    did not plan to go on a campaign against her. However, I am quite willing
    to back up my assertations and was challenged to do so. If you don’t like
    it, you are welcome to take your own advice and ignore my posts.

    Wish I had a pair of bongos…

    • Evandeg says:

      I bet he wishes he had a pair of a lot of things…

      If there’s anything worse than a weasel, it’s a weasel with selective memory.
      His snide remark about the VCR wasn’t offensive. But his use of the word
      “bimbo” was. He may not have planned a anti-Kim campaign, but he sure was
      quick to attack when others called him on his remarks. As for his “proof” to
      substantiate his outrageous “assertations”, all he’s proven is that he can cut
      and paste a story on a newsgroup. Big deal. So can my little brother.

      from cst666:
      >She’s also a good sport. We drafted her to model for the cover of our
      >redesigned Weekend Plus section, which kicks off this Friday (Jan. 9).
      >Luckily,
      >we got her before she became a big TV star. (Those of you who lost the
      >gist of this thread should read Rob Feder’s column today: he mentioned
      >Jae-Ha’s
      >Fox News gig.)

      It was a very nice cover. Congrats, Jae-Ha. The beatnik story was pretty
      interesting although I don’t consider some of the bars mentioned as being
      terribly beatnik.

    • Matt Gordon says:

      Did he ever come up with any proof? Is he still holed away in a basement going over his scrapbook of Jae’s articles playing with his “bongoes.” Ew.

  13. KEVVWILL says:

    It took a bit of doing to find this joint and I must confess to being bored. I
    too, consumed this thread in a single sitting, and I’m not sure what to say
    except Jae (who sits right next to me) has her detractors. Always have, and
    always will, but so do we all. That’s why there’s chocolate AND vanilla. It is
    absolutely impossible to tell whether or not someone is a bimbo from their
    writing, for the record.

    Love or hate her style, it is inarguable that Jae has few peers at writing for
    her target audience. Norman wrote previously of being unable to wait for
    Jae’s expose on the Spice Girls, but the SGs are pop culture, and Jae is a fine
    pop culture writer, far better than I, I must admit. I don’t expect that I will
    be the last word on this (what seems to me) colossally idiotic thread.

    Norman, you don’t like Jae or her writing, which is fine. Everyone is
    entitled to their opinion. I don’t think that insults and slams are necessary
    to get your opinion across, sir. It’s patently unfair. I should also add that
    your posted snippets from Jae’s writings defend her status as a fine chronicler
    of pop culture.

    Kevin Williams

    p.s. her bathroom assessments are dead on. The men’s room at the Aragon would
    have aged her ten years!

    • KEVVWILL says:

      I feel like such a hoser, no slights to Canadians intended. Intending to post
      here, I instead wound up creating a new topic, called “this sister business.”
      Should anyone care what I think, it’s hidden in here somewhere.
      Kevin Williams

  14. Norman Nitman says:

    This is pretty rich. Jae-Ha Kim’s officemate starts a new thread,
    worries that people won’t see it and posts a reference deep in the
    original thread, an apparent sockpuppet “me toos” each post, and
    now this idiot reposts the thing in the original thread! Austin, I
    realize that I asked the wrong person before, but could you please
    tell me the “something like 6 or 7 books” that Kim wrote? I could
    only find the “Friends” book at amazon.com. Someone told me that
    she had written a book on “Seinfeld”, but maybe that’s out of print.

    >Subject: This “sister” business
    >From: kevv…@aol.com (KEVVWILL)
    >Date: Sun, Jan 11, 1998 16:59 EST
    >Message-id:
    >
    >It took a bit of doing to find this joint and I must confess to being bored. I
    >too, consumed this thread in a single sitting, and I’m not sure what to say
    >except Jae (who sits right next to me) has her detractors. Always have, and
    >always will, but so do we all. That’s why there’s chocolate AND vanilla. It is
    >absolutely impossible to tell whether or not someone is a bimbo from their
    >writing, for the record.
    >
    Just because Jae-Ha Kim has her detractors doesn’t mean that she’s a good
    writer. For the record, when I called Jae-Ha Kim a “bimbo,” I meant it
    in the “airhead”, not the “pushover” sense.

    >Love or hate her style, it is inarguable that Jae has few peers at writing for
    >her target audience. Norman wrote previously of being unable to wait for
    >Jae’s expose on the Spice Girls, but the SGs are pop culture, and Jae is a
    >fine pop culture writer, far better than I, I must admit. I don’t expect that
    >I will be the last word on this (what seems to me) colossally idiotic thread.
    A colossally idiotic thread is quite appropriate when the subject
    is Jae-Ha Kim!

    >
    >Norman, you don’t like Jae or her writing, which is fine. Everyone is
    >entitled to their opinion. I don’t think that insults and slams are necessary
    >to get your opinion across, sir. It’s patently unfair. I should also add that
    >your posted snippets from Jae’s writings defend her status as a fine
    >chronicler of pop culture.
    >
    >Kevin Williams
    Mr. Williams, sir, I did call Kim a bimbo and people have taken offense. To
    anyone who might actually be disturbed by such a mild epithet, I truly
    apologize. I suggest that they avoid Usenet in the future. However, as long
    as the bleeding-heart brigade has gathered together, perhaps the congregation
    might consider the following insults directed at me in this thread:

    Big, old, goobery dork.
    Bimbo.
    Bitter.
    Boasts about Nixon web site.
    Can anonymously dish it out but can’t take it.
    Can only cut and paste a story on a newsgroup.
    Conspiracy nut.
    Crude C coder.
    Defender of “reverse racists.”
    Dismisses publications just out of spite.
    Don’t/can’t have meaningful discussions/relationships.
    Enemy of liberals and perhaps even Hubert Humphrey.
    Failed television personality.
    Fixated on digging up everything Jae-Ha Kim did.
    Geek.
    Gratuitous insulter.
    Has strange obsession for Jae-Ha Kim.
    Hero is Cliff on “Cheers”.
    Idiot.
    Insults the collective intelligence of chi.media.
    Jackass.
    Leftist.
    Libelous.
    Misogynist.
    Never urinates nor goes to nightclubs.
    Nixon fetishist.
    Patently sophmoric.
    Pinheaded.
    Probably too stupid to even know how to program VCR.
    Quick to attack.
    Senseless.

    So stupid as to believe that reporters always get to pick
    and choose what they want to write about.
    Takes cheap shots.
    The type that thinks any attention is better than none.
    Uses non-sequiturs.
    Weasel with selective memory.
    Whines.
    Writes kneejerk and horseshit responses.
    Now all’s fair, but given the ferocity of my opponents, I don’t see
    why you’re so concerned about protocol.

    >
    >p.s. her bathroom assessments are dead on. The men’s room at the Aragon would
    >have aged her ten years!
    >
    No one questioned the veracity of her bathroom reporting. Most of the
    quasi-sockpuppets from the Sun-Times who posted here brought this up, so
    I guess that’s a major point Kim is making as she hysterically lobbies
    her co-workers to post to chi.media for the first time (with the exception
    of Bey). I will say that it is the best bathroom reporting I’ve ever seen.
    In fact, it is the only bathroom reporting I’ve ever seen. Perhaps this
    is because bathroom conditions are a moot point for people who want to
    go to a particular concert or club. This actually might be a funny story
    in the right hands, but as Kim has no sense of humor, it sucks as usual.

    I must take exception to one of Kim’s points. I have gone to dozens
    of concerts at the Aragon Ballroom over a period of twenty years and
    I have never, ever heard anyone refer to it as the “Scaragon.” When
    not called by its proper name, it is universally called
    “The [Aragon] Brawlroom.”

    A final note about Kim’s latest appearance on the local Fox news:
    I thought it was quite a coincidence that her two lead “stories”
    were on The X Files and Seinfeld when those happen to be the two
    programs immediately following the show – even though the Seinfeld
    story was a day or two old. I did find the story about Tracy Chapman
    being on Sesame Steet mildly interesting.

    Yours in Xt.,

    Norm


    Norman N n…@tezcat.com
    The Nixon Links: Now More Than Ever

    • Sarah Black says:

      LOL!!! This guy is hysterically. He imagines that his words are so important that the entire Sun-Times desk was spending all their time “defending” Jae. HAHA! What century is he from? Seems like he just wanted attention.

  15. Jae-Ha Kim says:

    For a man who claims to have such distaste for me, Norman sure spends a lot of time researching me, watching me on TV, reading my stories, posting about me on message boards and, now, e-mailing me. Still, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

  16. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    Norman (n…@huitzilo.tezcat.com) wrote:
    : For starters, check out
    : http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/archive/970725.html

    : to see what one of the pros has to say about Jae-Ha Kim.

    Ah yes, Peter Margasak, the Byron Coley clone who previously put out the
    aptly named “But Ragg” fanzine. True enough, if you hate pop music and love
    avant guard a la Margasak, you’d have little use for Jae-Ha. But my guess
    is that most Chicagoans would prefer the Impressions and the Pumpkins to
    Tortoise and Repulse Kava…

  17. jeffnmoe says:

    Everybody has their favorite Jae-Ha moment. Mine was several years ago
    when she, writing about an upcoming concert by the British band
    Swervedriver in the Sun-Times, called the bands sound “reggae-influenced”.
    Being that this particular band of the shoegazer genre (early 90s guitar
    rock w/lots of effects) had never played a note before or since that could
    remotely be construed as reggae-esque, I could only conclude that she’d
    seen a promo picture of the band, saw the dreadlocked lead singer, and
    drew her own conclusions.

    • Evandeg says:

      Having caught this band just about every time they played the midwest, as well as a couple times in Europe, I find this description accurate. Their live shows sounded surprisingly different from their records. Speaking of which, does anyone know what has happened to this group?

      • jeffnmoe says:

        Evan, lets simplify:
        If you can point to one instance of recorded output (including
        bootlegs or non-US EPs) that would even remotely support Ms. Kims
        “touch of reggae” description, I will gladly eat all the shit you
        care to send my way. This would include anything recorded well
        before or after the review in question.

        And lets not use the “you had to be there at Oxford late 80s”
        schtick. Sure, I heard Tortoise do “Pork Salad Annie” when they
        opened for Codeine at Lounge Ax. And Lungfish did a bitchin’ cover
        of “Snowbird”. Oh, and what about Minor Threats version of “Dance
        with Me”? Really. Swear to god. No evidence to back me up, but
        I’ll be sure to mention the influence Anne Murray had on
        Lungfish the next time they are in town and I’m writing my review..

        Having said all this, I’m hoping that you CAN provide the
        evidence. Surprises are good.
        jeff (jeff…@mcs.com)

        • Justified Elder of Mu Mu  says:

          : And lets not use the “you had to be there at Oxford late 80s”
          : schtick. Sure, I heard Tortoise do “Pork Salad Annie” when they

          I’m sorry for you (talk about a band that owes its carreer to a rock scribe)

          : opened for Codeine at Lounge Ax. And Lungfish did a bitchin’ cover
          : of “Snowbird”. Oh, and what about Minor Threats version of “Dance
          : with Me”? Really. Swear to god. No evidence to back me up, but
          : I’ll be sure to mention the influence Anne Murray had on

          Dunno about Minor Threat (Filler!) but you can definitely hear a Laura Nyro influence on Sonic Youth – especially the Homestead and SST stuff.

          • evan says:

            >From: ju…@ripco.com (Justified Elder of Mu Mu)
            >>: And lets not use the “you had to be there at Oxford late 80s”
            >>: schtick. Sure, I heard Tortoise do “Pork Salad Annie” when they
            >

            >I’m sorry for you (talk about a band that owes its carreer to a rock scribe)

            Mu, very funny. I can’t think of a worse band out there.

            jeffnmoe, I have no evidence, just my memory of some pretty awesome shows when
            Swervedriver jammed out and really went wild. They were amazing back then, and
            not at all tired like they are now. Anyone catch them at Metro last weekend?
            It’s time for them to just break up the band.

            • jeffnmoe says:

              Just to clarify…the mention of Tortoise, Lungfish, doing bogus
              70s covers was sarcasm to prove my lame point, not reality. My
              apologies to those who took it at face value. And I ain’t no
              rock crit, just another knob who spends too much cash on music.
              …and Jums and Evandeg, I share your opinions on Tortoise. The
              emperor has no clothes.
              Anyway, enough breast beating. Evandeg, I am really curious about
              those late 80s Swervedriver shows you mentioned and would like to
              hear more, if you have time and don’t mind posting or emailing.
              Thanks.

        • Tjsteil says:

          actually….it is called “Poke Salad Annie”, originally recorded by Tony Joe
          White, a fine roots/rockabilly guitarist. Please check the Encyclopedia of
          Southern Culture if you’re unsure what a poke salad is…..especially before
          you turn in your next review.
          ts

          • jeffnmoe says:

            Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention the ‘touch of reggae’ in the cover….guess I’m ready for the Sun-Times.
            By the way, thanks for the info. Been looking for that particular song for awhile.

    • evan says:

      This is how misinformation gets passed along. Judging by the following post,
      one would think that Kim tried to pass Swervedriver off as the next Bob Marley.

      It seems to me that aside from the reggae part, you and Kim had the same take
      on the band. Actually, Kim did not present the band as a reggae band in her
      story. She did make note of their various influences which have included
      reggae What she wrote was; “Making as much noise as Sonic Youth and relying as
      heavily on guitars as My Bloody Valentine, England’s Swervedriver throws in a
      *touch* of *reggae* that mutates their sound just so. Sometimes uneven live
      performers whose songs tend to drone on a la the Grateful Dead, Swervedriver
      fares much better with its current CD Mezcal Head: strong lyrics and punkish
      guitars played loudly…. Sometimes dubbed “anglo-grunge,” the tag is
      deceiving. While they’re as loud as their Sup pop American counterparts etc.” I
      think that gives readers an idea of the type of music they play without
      misleading them into thinking the band is a rasta band. Those who’ve seen the
      band’s early shows, especially their club gigs in Oxford/London during the late
      1980s, would’ve known that her description was right on.

    • ronald h. davis says:

      i look at it this way, if you’re right, it means that she wrote a
      bad column. but everybody writes bad columns, it’s just that the
      better columnists write fewer bad columns. if all this is about
      one possibly bad column, then that would suggest that kim is a
      pretty good columnist.

      from the stuff that i’ve read, i would say that my reaction has ranged
      from “huh??” (i.e. i didn’t get the point) to really quite good. my
      general impression is that she writes to a ‘generation x’ audience,
      which in my opinion seems appropriate since those are the people who
      are most likely to be going out and about. for my part, i’m just
      marking time until i can start getting aarp discounts so i’m clearly
      not in the target audience.

    • glad i'm not jeffnmoe says:

      hey jeffnmoe: nobody cares, you unctuous twat.

  18. KEVVWILL says:

    Sigh…
    For the record, these are the last words that will flow from my keyboard about
    this (previously stated) silly thread, done so only to correct some apparent
    mistaken perceptions on behalf of Norman.

    >This is pretty rich. Jae-Ha Kim’s officemate starts a new thread,
    >worries that people won’t see it and…
    The new thread beginning was, as stated, a mistake. Enough said.

    >For the record, when I called Jae-Ha Kim a “bimbo,” I meant it
    >in the “airhead”, not the “pushover” sense.
    “Airhead” would have been a more precise use of language, sir, and I’m guessing
    would have spared you the tremendous amount of verbiage expended upon this
    topic. “Bimbo,” as I am sure you are aware by now, has negative sexual
    connotations that can be inferred from its use, which cannot help but rouse
    defenders.

    >Mr. Williams, sir, I did call Kim a bimbo and people have taken offense. To
    anyone who might actually be disturbed by such a mild epithet, I truly
    apologize. I suggest that they avoid Usenet in the future.>
    The issue isn’t the use of an epithet. It’s the indefensibly gratuitious use of
    it. As I said earlier, “airhead” is an opinion, “bimbo” is a slur, and an
    unfair one at that. You then go on to cite insults hurled at you, and those are
    just as unnecessary. Are insults disturbing? Of course not. That’s life.
    Icannot, however, help but wish for a higher level of discourse.

    >No one questioned the veracity of her bathroom reporting. Most of the
    quasi-sockpuppets from the Sun-Times who posted here brought this up, so I
    guess that’s a major point Kim is making as she hysterically lobbies her
    co-workers to post to chi.media for the first time (with the exception of
    Bey).>
    Lee Bey discovered this thread the same way we all did, through discussing of
    places where the Sun-Times is a topic. Staffers frequently visit such bulletin
    boards to answer questions about the newspaper. We like to consider it a public
    service. Jae lobbied no one that I am aware of for contributions to this space.
    As colleagues, some of us came to her defense in light of a seemingly unfair
    slam. The “quasi-sockpuppets” thing is another gratuitous insult, bait that I
    shan’t rise to.

    In closing, I can only repeat, Jae does have her detractors, including Reader
    columnists Bill Wyman, and Peter Margasak, and they have every right to do so.
    Life is like that. But, the reason they weren’t savaged by Jae’s defenders is
    because they didn’t result to insults, sir, which is precisely my point. There
    are ways to raise valid critiques of a person’s work, without calling them
    names.

    Having said this, I will leave you to your own purposes, Norman, and wish
    you luck.

    Kevin Williams

    • Carole Wojchiewski says:

      Wait. What? What are you fuckers even talking about. The amount of misogyny in this thread is unbelievable. Kim made exactly one response to him and Nitman complains that she’s whining. Get the fuck out of here you imbecile. And then you other fuckers are saying airhead would’ve been acceptable instead of bimbo. What planet do you live on? How patronizing of you all. And as for Wyman and Margasak, why do you even bring them up? And what do you mean they weren’t savaged by Jae’s “defenders” (again, how patronizing). Yes they were regularly given new holes and rightly so. They were (are?) Grade A assholes not just with her, but so many other bands. How the Reader allowed them to pass off their smear campaigns as “reporting” is beyond me. Do they even have jobs anymore? But you get what you pay for and that free rag always is good liner for my bird cage. Fuck all of you.

      • Laqueisia Sanderson says:

        I agree with everything that you said, Carole. I just came upon this disgusting thread and read it all in one sitting. This is what Male Privilege looks like. This is what women deal with in 2017 still. Not much has changed.

        To Ms. Kim, you are an incredible talent and role model for young girls and women. I came here because of your column (Chink Bitch) and am astounded by what you have put up with and how you have stayed at the top of your game.

        Also, I’m ARMY! Welcome to the family, ma’am!

  19. Norman Nitman says:

    Whilst I’ll take your word that Bey found the thread on his own, I think it’s
    rather obvious, sir, that somebody lobbied somebody as you and a couple of
    other Sun-Timers have never previously posted to Usenet at all, let alone
    chi.media. I’m also curious about a couple of these aol accounts being used
    to post here. Jae-Ha must have had a stockpile of those giveaway disks!

  20. Evandeg says:

    I’m sure the entire Sun-Times staff is crying over this eunuch’s oh so stinging
    and witty choice of words.

  21. KEVVWILL says:

    Actually, Evandeg, we’ve all chosen to ignore him. It seems to work better that
    way, and he can go on playing about this board, and attacking one and all, in
    efforts to get rises out of them. With me, it is ineffective, as I think it is
    with Jae.
    Once I determine someone is not interested in reasonable discussion, I’m off.
    I’m sure someone will come along to make his day, however.

    Kevin

  22. ronald h. davis says:

    Norman Nitman wrote:
    >
    > A final note about Kim’s latest appearance on the local Fox news:
    > I thought it was quite a coincidence that her two lead “stories”
    > were on The X Files and Seinfeld when those happen to be the two
    > programs immediately following the show – even though the Seinfeld
    > story was a day or two old. I did find the story about Tracy Chapman
    > being on Sesame Steet mildly interesting.
    >
    so you watch ms. kim’s segment of fox news, search for books that she
    has written, maintain archives of her previous columns, and seek out
    articles about her: THIS ALL FOR A PERSON THAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE A
    BIMBO???

    what comes across in your posts is that you seem to have a fixation
    with ms. kim (for whatever reason). in my opinion, since you are
    apparently sending her email as well, i suggest that you go ahead an
    ask her out on a date and see whether you can fulfill your fantasies.
    in one sense, she *owes* it to you to go out on a date with you: these
    diatribes of yours are no doubt a RATINGS BONANZA for ms. kim since
    you know that people are going to check out her segment who otherwise
    wouldn’t have given it a thought (did somebody say SWEEPS WEEK?). in
    addition, people are also going to take a look at her column in the
    chicago sun-times (people such as myself, who otherwise wouldn’t have
    done so) just to see what the deal is.

    so you can argue that you’re doing more for her career than any
    boyfriend of her’s ever did…but maybe that’s what you intended.

    good luck,

    • Lauren Santiago says:

      Wow. What kind of fucked up joke is this? I know you mean well, but she doesn’t “owe” him anything–not even for ratings. Ha ha. I know what you meant, but given his obsession, this is disgusting. And why would you want that psycho to ask her on a date? Ugh.

  23. Norman Nitman says:

    I cc’ed her a copy of my response to the repost of Williams’ defense.
    That’s what she was whining about. This can be verified by examining
    the headers of article 6a6abo$v…@huitzilo.tezcat.com.

  24. ronald h. davis says:

    Norman Nitman wrote:
    >
    > I cc’ed her a copy of my response to the repost of Williams’ defense.
    > That’s what she was whining about. This can be verified by examining
    > the headers of article 6a6abo$v…@huitzilo.tezcat.com.
    >
    i’m not going to get into a point by point rebuttal of your reply, so
    i’ll simply ask: *why* did you see fit to copy jae-ha kim on your
    reply? i mean, a lot of people get discussed in this newsgroup – if
    the person being discussed reads about it in this newsgroup, i suppose
    that’s ok, but taking the step of sending the person email to make sure
    that they know they are being discussed is a bit unusual, to say the
    least. but the whole energy and importance that you seem to have
    attached to this seems a bit “out of the norm”.

  25. Norman Nitman says:

    It’s quite obvious that she was aware of this thread.

    I was replying to Kim’s officemates’ post several days after it first
    appeared. As I accused Kim of putting people up to posting in her defense,
    I cc’ed her on it. I don’t have to justify my actions to you and I’m
    not going to let flames directed at me to go unanswered.

  26. Sneeeeezy says:

    Okay, I’ve read enough of these posts about this woman, this guy’s sister, that
    now I have to see who she is. Can someone please explain again just who she is
    and what she is from and where I would be able to see her? Thanks!

    Mark

  27. ronald h. davis says:

    i’ll use this post to respond to sneeezy’s request about who jae-ha
    kim is (based upon my knowledge of her through this endless thread):
    Norman Nitman wrote:
    >
    > I think it’s remarkable that two different individuals would both come out
    > of the void on the same day and never post about anything except Jae-Ha Kim.
    > Quite a coincidence, don’t you think?
    >
    well, it really all got started when a person posted a message stating
    that jae-ha kim [an entertainment column writer at the chicago
    sun-times] had begun doing an entertainment report segment on the
    sunday night fox news broadcasts [there was also some mildly
    interesting discussion of korean naming conventions].

    the original poster was ms. kim’s sister [but, to me, the posting did
    not seem out of context for a chi.media newsgroup that is presumably
    concerned with discussion of chicago media and personalities]. in
    response, you came from out of nowhere with statements about how ms.
    kim was a “bimbo”. now you want to claim that you’re some sort of
    victim? i think that there are a lot of people who *aren’t* calling
    you names who are kind of wondering about you, and this “campaign” that
    you seem to have waged. at the very least it appears that you seem to
    think that there exists some sort of “relationship” between you and
    kim in which she is out to get you by dispatching agents to this
    newsgroup to do battle with you. i’d say, get help now before it’s too
    late!

    i suppose that you could say that you don’t care what people think,
    which would begs the question as to why you’re bothering to post;
    especially given the investigative effort that you seem to be putting
    into some of them.

  28. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    Norman Nitman (n…@huitzilo.tezcat.com) wrote:
    : The only relationship we have is this Usenet discussion. We have seen
    : five people from the Sun-Times including Kim’s editor, Kim’s officemate,
    : and Kim herself posting to chi.media. Four of these people have never
    : posted to Usenet before, ever. Highly unusual. David M. Williams, Kim’s

    No more unusual than someone who is having such a lousy new year’s eve that
    he posts a snide comment to a brother’s innocuous plug for his sister, four
    days later posts that he doesn’t have time for this because “I have to pork
    my girlfriend” but then refuses to let the thread die nearly a momth
    later (wow mommy, I can dejanews too!)

  29. ronald h. davis says:

    look norman, over the past month we have had enough of your fixation
    with jae-ha kim. let’s start talking about someone with whom *i’m*
    fixated: the ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS angela miles.

    i admit to having a 3+ year fixation with angela miles who is
    absolutely fabulous beyond all belief in my mind. when she was
    with cltv there was a change of cable companies at the apartment
    at which i was then living resulting in my no longer being able
    to watch cltv. i was so despondent at no longer being able to get
    my regular fix of angela miles THAT I CEASED WATCHING TELEVISION
    ALTOGETHER!!! i also lost my appetite and began losing weight at
    oprah-speed. it was just terrible. i feared that, like so many other
    cltv personalities, she would get a better job outside of chicago
    meaning NO MORE ANGELA MILES IN MY LIFE! such was a fate too
    horrible to imagine.

    but then i heard that she got a job with wgn-tv. what a relief.
    now if i could only get them to give her a web page like some of
    the other people there have. i wrote to them requesting this
    BUT HAVE TOTALLY BLOWN OFF apparently as i have yet to see one.

    so help me out folks, send email at the http://www.wgntv.com web site and
    DEMAND that the absolutely fabulous angela miles get a web page on
    the wgn site. also, even though i don’t watch tv, i would be willing
    to watch tv to see the absolutely fabulous angela miles. does anyone
    know of a time when she would be on air? that way i can get myself
    to a tv to watch her segment, without having to watch a bunch of tv
    stuff that i don’t want to watch.

    has anyone here actually met her fabulousness in person? lee bey,
    or any other sun-times “agents” monitoring this newsgroup? i’d
    like to begin a month-long discussion thread (or longer depending
    how long it takes for temporary relief for my absolute fixation)
    on the fabulous angela miles. for starters, what’s the bio on her?

  30. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    Norman Nitman (n…@huitzilo.tezcat.com) wrote:
    : Context, my boy, context. You know perfectly well that I made that crack

    : in response to someone who told me to look up “misogynist” in the
    : dictionary.
    “Irony – an excuse for everything and an explanation for nothing” – Robert
    Christgau. Context goes both ways – the point of my post is not to charge
    you with misogyny – I have no doubt that your contempt for Ms. Kim is
    genuine. It was to highlight the lengths you have continued this campaign.
    (Now if I’m duped about the girlfriend part being legit, my point is
    weakened…) I still bet you’d rather be stranded on a desert island with a
    CD collection picked out by Jae-Ha than by Peter Margasak.

  31. DJevens says:

    That revelation about Jakobsgrls’ AOL post would be pretty shocking if I hadn’t already made it three days earlier.

  32. DJevens says:

    :::We have seen five people from the Sun-Times including Kim’s editor, Kim’s
    officemate, and Kim herself posting to chi.media. Four of these people have
    never posted to Usenet before, ever. Highly unusual.:::

    Not really. As a longtime lurker and infrequent poster on chi.media, i can
    attest – as Norman surely can – that most of this board is crap …
    Stern/Mancow flame wars and infighting and spam galore. The many people unaware
    of its existence haven’t been missing much.

    My colleagues and I have been posting for some time on an AOL board about
    the Sun-Times (conveniently set up in the Tribune’s Digital Cafe). Once alerted
    to this Usenet exchange by Jakobsgrl, another regular there, we came by to look
    and respond because we respect Jae and recognize her intelligence and can
    report firsthand that her ability to write in breezy, accessible language is a
    long way from airheadedness. None of these testimonials came at the behest of
    Jae (who actually is pretty mortified by all this), and anyone who suggests
    otherwise is delusional.

    Oh, and Jae has not written six or seven books. Jakobsgrl is cool, but on
    that point her facts were off.

  33. Norman Nitman says:

    While my original theory was incorrect, thanks for confirming that the fix
    was in. Too bad you guys missed the glory days of der Sturmer as they surely
    could have used people of your talents.

  34. DJevens says:

    >>thanks for confirming that the fix was in
    Sorry. Wrong there, too. We all are capable of thinking for ourselves and
    did so here.

    On to the next conspiracy theory. Think hard … anything’s better than
    acknowledging that Jae-Ha Kim is intelligent and respected by readers and
    colleagues.

  35. Evandeg says:

    :::I think it’s remarkable that two different individuals would both come out
    of the void on the same day and never post about anything except Jae-Ha Kim.
    Quite a coincidence, don’t you think?:::

    I confess. Not only am I Jakob’sGrl, but I’m also Norman Nitman. I love the
    attention all you sock puppets are showering on me so I decided to spend all my
    time getting multiple internet accounts as well as AOL where–as I accused
    myself on a witty earlier post–I can have up to **5** different screenames! So
    I’ll come clean and also admit that I’m Djevens, KEVVWILL, Scoopbey, JAEHAKIM
    and everyone else on AOL. Hell, I’m also jkim@lucent, millerjNOSPAM and
    ju…@ripco.com. As for the Chicago Reader, which has printed several letters I
    have written to the editor, and the Sun-Times, where I’ve received
    correspondence from Nigel Wade, boy, I sure pulled one over on them too. They
    didn’t realize when they called to verify my name and address that I’m all of
    these people AND MORE! I’ll be back to post more for sure. I’m not sure which
    screenname I’m going to use next, but you can bet that I’ll be steering you
    towards my dope Nixon web site. Tricky Dicky rules.

    From Evan (pronounced “norman”)
    Evan Degnen

    p.s. I’d add my comments about Angela Miles but, as I pointed out to myself
    earlier, I never post about anyone except Jae-Ha Kim…and me, Norman, of
    course. So can someone “flame” me (as I’m fond of saying) so I can come up with
    another weak argument against myself? Please?
    Evan (Norman, to those in the know)

  36. Ursula1327 says:

    Thank you Mr. Degnen (aka….), and Mr. Davis. I’ve been lurking on this board
    for a while. But when people make me laugh this hearty, I have to be
    appreciative.

  37. ronald h. davis says:

    somehow i feel as though i should be charging a two drink minimum and
    $15 cover.

  38. Norman Nitman says:

    I think that you all apparently have nothing better to do than invade
    a forum that you usually don’t participate in and gangflame someone
    who dares to criticize one of your benighted staff.

    As Jae-Ha says, the truth is out there

    • Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

      Yes, you must stumble across these conferences on your own – only then if
      somebody slurs your friend or coworker may you “ganglame” that person in
      defense. Don’t you folks know anything?

    • linda-renee says:

      And you had nothing better to do than crosspost your faux pearl of
      wisdom to four additional groups who have no clue what your thread is
      about?

  39. ronald h. davis says:

    Norman Nitman wrote:
    >
    nothing worth quoting…

    you asked me not to send you email any more so i won’t. instead i’ll
    post these comments publicly:

    for the past 1 month+ you’ve continued a steady stream of jae-ha kim
    related attacks (over an expanding number of newsgroups), including
    emailing her directly to bring her into this whole mess. the thing
    that i really starting to get me angry (not to speak for anyone else)
    is that it appears to me that you’re clearly trying to bully her.
    but you’re completely full of shit.

    the fact that you seem to want to spend so much time in this effort
    suggests to me that you haven’t done much with your life. maybe
    you’re not a failed television personality: you’re just a failed
    person, period.

    it’s not jae-ha’s fault that you are apparently a total failure in
    your own life, and you can’t fault her for trying to do something
    with her own life so that she doesn’t end up the same way.

    SO STOP THIS POSTING NONSENSE ALREADY! it’s tiring, stupid, and it’s
    just not fair…

  40. Norman Nitman says:

    You have my permission to be angry. I would point out to you that
    almost everything I’ve posted has been in response to flames directed
    at me. Perhaps you’ll figure out the pattern eventually.

    Yeah, that’s why I run Normcam II out of this cardboard box.

    I’m not a failure by any metric, but I’m curious to know how you would
    measure success or failure.

    Life’s not fair. chi.media got tough, Norm got tougher.

    Norman Nitman n…@tezcat.com
    The Nixon Links: Now More Than Ever

    • Jules says:

      And i have something for you: Stop cross-posting fuckwit, its annoying
      and nobody knows what-the-fuck you`re spewing on about.
      If you`ve got something to say, say it in the relevant NG and give us
      all some peace from your mind-numbing, cl00less drivel.
      Thanks (for nothing)


      °Jules°

  41. ronald h. davis says:

    look norman, enough already: REALLY

    Norman Nitman wrote:
    >
    > ronald h. davis wrote:
    > >
    > >for the past 1 month+ you’ve continued a steady stream of jae-ha kim
    > >related attacks (over an expanding number of newsgroups), including
    > >emailing her directly to bring her into this whole mess. the thing
    > >that is really starting to get me angry (not to speak for anyone else)

    > >is that it appears to me that you’re clearly trying to bully her.
    > >but you’re completely full of shit.
    > >
    >
    > You have my permission to be angry. I would point out to you that
    > almost everything I’ve posted has been in response to flames directed
    > at me. Perhaps you’ll figure out the pattern eventually.
    >
    put emphasis on the “almost”. are you saying that you’ve been posting
    about kim being a bimbo (along with the veritable fuscillade of other
    insults that you’ve directed towards her that you’ve posted over the
    past month) in response to flames directed towards you? if you’re
    saying that she flamed you, when did this happen? if you’re saying
    that other people flamed you then why are you flaming her in response?

    like i said norman, you’re just full of shit.

    [stuff deleted]

    > >it’s not jae-ha’s fault that you are apparently a total failure in
    > >your own life, and you can’t fault her for trying to do something
    > >with her own life so that she doesn’t end up the same way.
    >
    > I’m not a failure by any metric, but I’m curious to know how you would
    > measure success or failure.
    >
    i think emerson was right when he said “man’s life is a progress and
    not a destination” so i don’t know if there is really any such thing
    as “being a success”. but i do think that i know how to recognize a
    failure, and if you go back and reread my post, you might be able to
    figure out how i identify one.


    __ ______ __ / __/ |
    _/ (_(_) / (_(_/_/_(_/ .
    it’s gonna be some stuff you’re gonna see
    that’s gonna make it hard to smile in the future
    but through whatever you see,
    through all the rain, and the pain,
    you gotta keep your sense of humor,
    you gotta be able to smile through all this…
    so keep your head up
    -tupac shakur

  42. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    Yes, chi.media got bare knuckled when Jae-Ha Kim’s brother launched that
    incendiary post “My Sister’s On TV!” We all cowered, but Norman Nihman
    rose to the challenge – a snide remark here, a slur there, but little did we
    know the depths that the dark forces of the media conspiracy would go –
    friend and coworkers of the slurred individuals invaded chi.media to come to
    her defense. But our Norman dug in with dejanews searches to uncover the
    conspiracy. Then, inspired by Linda Tripp (or, more likely, Nixon’s spy
    Lucianne Goldberg), he went into the enemy camp and got AOL user profiles on
    his enemies. “TAKE THAT, TEENYBOPPER!” came firing from Norm, like a good
    guy wrestler who refuses to tap out. Thanks to Norman Nitman, people will
    think twice before plugging their sister on chi.media again.

  43. DJevens says:

    >>it seems like the online Sun-Timers are so eager for attention that the situation is reversed!

    And it seems this thread has pretty well played itself out. I have to
    figure everyone by now has decided whether to join Norman’s elite hate club or
    to take the word of many colleagues and readers that Jae is capable or, at
    worst, harmless.

    As apparently the last Sun-Timesman (that’s the term Kup uses, however
    sexist) willing to indulge this unnecessary exchange, I’m ready to bail. If
    Norman keeps flaming to goad everyone back, it’ll be pretty clear who’s eager
    for attention.

  44. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    During Norman Nitman’s recent tirade against Jae-Ha Kim, one poster
    ridiculed her description of Swervedriver as “psychedelic.” I couldn’t help
    remembering that as I read today’s Tribune review of their new EP “99th
    Dream” “The overall sound is more dreamy than crazed. The Seven-minute
    ‘Electric 88’ inflates into a lovely kaleidoscopic dreamscape.” Sounds
    pretty psychedelic to me…

  45. Norman Nitman says:

    BTW, is Jae-Ha still on TV, or is she just taking an extended vacation?

    • ronald h. davis says:

      JakobsGrl wrote:
      >
      > >BTW, is Jae-Ha still on TV, or is she just taking an extended vacation?
      >
      > Still keeping tabs on her, huh? Wow. I’ve seen her on the morning news show.
      > You can, too.
      >

      sounds like jae-ha has gotten a few fans out of the exchanges that have
      occurred over this newsgroup.

      but speaking of morning news programs, that reminds me of another person
      that you can see on the WGN-TV MORNING NEWS program: the absolutely
      fabulous ANGELA MILES. so don’t forget to tune in to WGN-TV MORNING
      NEWS!!!

      why, i was just thinking this evening: when i think about my
      comparatively meager quotidian existence, i can’t help but wonder what
      it must be like to live a fabulous life. sigh, but it was not my lot
      to live the fabulous life. fortunately there are people like the
      absolutely fabulous angela miles who give people such as myself
      a glimpse, at least vicariously, into a lifestyle considerably more
      interesting and exciting than most of us would ever see in our own
      lives.

      i suppose that up to now i have been in the “defender” camp as far as
      the kim exchanges in this newsgroup have gone: mostly because norman
      has been so unfair in his criticisms of her. however, now that she is
      on the morning news on a competing station at the same time as is the
      fabulous angela miles, i shudder to think of the possibility that a
      discussion thread could arise comparing jae-ha kim and the absolutely
      fabulous angela miles. i hope that such does not occur, but if it
      does i must join forces with norman in such case: not that i have any
      personal grievance with ms. kim at all, but nothing, or no comment
      must be allowed to calumniate, indirectly or otherwise, the absolute
      fabulousness of angela miles.

  46. Austin says:

    Wow. Your name calling “skills” are amazing! Try harder next time.

  47. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    Norman Nitman (n…@huitzilo.tezcat.com) wrote:
    : Justified Elder of Mu Mu wrote:
    : >stand corrected. But you’re the one leaping to dejanews searches. And

    : >posting this to “alt.fan.richard-nixon”?! I’d say that puts you in a
    : >kinship of sorts with Ken Starr, who thinks Monica Lewinsky has something to
    : >do Whitewater…
    : I figured you’d try and twist this around. Better luck next time.

    Haven’t read a comeback this strong since “gotta love it!” Maybe next thread you can tie Jae-Ha to Thomas Sowell too.

  48. ronald h. davis says:

    Justified Elder of Mu Mu wrote:
    >
    > Any interest in a chi.media day at New Comiskey? (Shouldn’t be hard finding
    > a section to meet in). Please post any interest/ideas.
    >

    here’s an idea: get jae-ha kim and norman nitman to show up for this
    thing – that exchange might be more interesting to watch than the
    ballgame.


    __ ______ __ / __/ |
    _/ (_(_) / (_(_/_/_(_/ .
    for there are many great deeds in the small struggles of life.
    life, misfortune, isolation, abandonment, poverty, are
    battlefields which have their heros; obscure heros, sometimes
    greater than the illustrious heros.
    -victor hugo

  49. Justified Elder of Mu Mu says:

    ronald h. davis (ron…@tezcat.com) wrote:
    : here’s an idea: get jae-ha kim and norman nitman to show up for this thing – that exchange might be more interesting to watch than the ballgame.

    WOuldn’t work – other Sun-Times folk would turn up to cheer her on and
    Norman would complain it was a conspiracy to distract him.

  50. Mark Lono says:

    LOL! Some of these people have serious issues! I remember watching your segments, Jae. You were great! Hoping to see you back on TV again soon!

  51. Sherrie Stephens says:

    Sounds like they’re jealous to me!

  52. Mariel Lee says:

    Hey, I remember seeing your segments. They were so good and we were so proud of you. To see one of our own Koreans on the news was eye opening. Thank you!

  53. Kate Anderson says:

    Good lord. Your brother tries to tout you a bit and a jackass or two has to chime in with their useless shit. like the commenter above, some of these poor excuses for men sound incredibly jealous and petty. Are you sure it wasn’t Wyman posting as different people?

  54. Corey says:

    Boy he can dish it out but he can’t take it, can he? My two year old handles criticism better than ol’ Norman does!

  55. Collin Anderson says:

    This had me laughing for a good 15 minutes. Thank you for sharing this! Well it’s clear that some people just had too much time on their hands. NN just had to have the last word in everything and obviously got off on all the attention. His little hissy fit didn’t seem to work. You were on the station for quite a while if I remember. I loved the rapport you had with Bob and Marianne. Bruce Wolf seemed smarmy and was a jackass most of the time. Glad to see that you’re career has flourished. Alright alright alright.

  56. Anna Kim says:

    This post made me sad. I thought all this trolling started with my generation. FWIW, I’m a fan of your writing, Ms. Kim, and think you’re a wonderful role model for us Asian Americans. 화이팅!!

  57. Kim Hansson says:

    I’ll bet some of the rudest people are still living in their parents’ basements talking bragging about their “looping” abilities. ? #tools

  58. Timothy Michaels says:

    Never read the comments. 🙂

  59. Pam says:

    This is probably as famous as that fellow will ever get. I’m sure he’s in his mom’s basement secretly loving all this attention.

  60. Amber Bliss Calderón says:

    I can’t stop reading and hating with every more awful thing. Keep up the good work! I enjoy your posts a lot!

  61. Pat Lewis says:

    I’m sure they’re all well adjusted young men, too. (insert sarcasm)

  62. Amy Martinez says:

    It took me a long time to digest this thread and even longer to figure out why it made me so angry. I realized that it’s for several things. Yes, a couple of the men posting were obnoxious and throwing “flames.” (My god, I haven’t heard that in a while. It takes me back…) But what I’ve realized is the sexism — overt and otherwise — is rampant pretty much across the board. The two sockpuppets (hahaha) spewing the worst about Ms. Kim can’t claim any reason to malign her other than that they don’t like what she wrote. Boo hoo. That’s why she’s a bimbo? Neither of these men criticized her colleagues for reviewing a concert and listing a dead musician as having been on stage. (Now that’s a show I would’ve liked to have seen.) I’m sure they would’ve written that off as an honest mistake.

    Almost most problematic are some of the men speaking in her defense, debating the degrees of stupid that she may or may not be. I highly doubt she was “mortified” that some idiots were saying stupid things about her. This is a grown up woman who has talked about home truly mortifying things that happened to her family. I doubt that she lost any sleep over a couple of wankers talking trash about her.

    To quote my little sister, “What the actual fuck?”

  63. Mike Kessler says:

    I’ve read a lot of Jae-Ha blogs & columns & stories and I can’t think of anything that I haven’t liked.

  64. Robin Seabloom Kim says:

    I think you’re brave. Me, not so much, or I would have been a published writer by now. I can’t handle the criticism. It’s interesting: you learned/grew/conquered in spite of or because of the early racism you experienced. I was bullied as a child for being different. It made me stronger in some areas, yet cowardly in other ways.

    I’m glad you continued to write, because I enjoy reading all of your posts. Thanks for being brave.

    • Jae-Ha Kim says:

      I think you should write that book (if that’s still something you want to do). It doesn’t matter what other people think of it as long as you know that it’s something that is truthful to you. 🙂 xxoo

  65. Morton Cole says:

    There’s a big difference between mistaking what a reporter covers for what he or she wants to cover. The newsroom in my era was very sexist, with men being assigned meatier stories than the women. Did Kim cover the Spice Girls because she wanted to, or because someone thought she’d be good at covering that band? There’s a big difference that ol’ Norm doesn’t seem to understand.

  66. Connie says:

    Weirdos. Truly weirdos.

  67. Dianna Schuler says:

    Sometimes humans are least humane creatures on earth. Sticks and stones right? Sometimes the words leaving a hurt that never heals. Takes a very strong will to rise above.

  68. Tanya Gerth says:

    LOSERS! How pathetic. I hope they were teenage boys, but it’s sad to think that they were grown men.

  69. Sasha says:

    They are sad excuses for human beings with all the reasoning skills of a 2 year old. I pity them, actually.

  70. Kathy Hewett Tsudama says:

    I always imagine the “negative trollers” as middle aged men sitting in their parent’s basement in their underwear making uneducated asinine comments as their “Lifes work”. I think Norm’s still there in said basement.

  71. Melissa says:

    Are you sure those weren’t Wyman and Margasak having their own version of a circle jerk? The writing is about on par with their “standards.”

  72. Stacey says:

    Those comments don’t surprise me. They sound like pathetic, useless people.

  73. Tina Daniels says:

    Well, when you’re as witty as those gentlemen, you really do get to wield the word “bimbo” around. WTF? Misgonistic much? I hate Norman. There. I said it.

  74. Peter Lawrence says:

    You’ve got an awesome brother, you’re an incredibly talented and gifted writer, and you rock! You simply rock! As for those cretins who took such joy in mocking you…I doubt they convinced anyone they were right. Actually they convinced me that they were idiots.

  75. Bob says:

    I don’t really get it. They don’t like a writing style and peg in on the fact that you’re a woman so therefore you must be a bimbo? What the hell? Talk about a lack of critical thinking. That Nitman fucker didn’t even back his claims up with anything other than the fact that he didn’t like you. Judging by his writing style, I’ve decided I don’t like him and therefore he is an asshole.

  76. Norman says:

    No, I’m not Nitman. What a waste of space he is. It’s too bad that he had nothing to do but spread his trash.

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